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03/29/2011 03:00 PM House ENERGY


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03:04:38 PM Start
03:04:50 PM HB197
03:44:11 PM Overview: Update on the Alaska Stand Alone Gas Pipeline
04:58:39 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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*+ HB 197 HOME ENERGY RATING SYSTEM TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Update on the Alaska Stand Alone Gas Pipeline TELECONFERENCED
by the Alaska Gasline Development Corp.
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                         March 29, 2011                                                                                         
                           3:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Lance Pruitt, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Pete Petersen                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 197                                                                                                              
"An Act recognizing the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation as                                                                   
the authorizing agency to approve home energy rating systems for                                                                
the state; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 197 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  UPDATE ON THE ALASKA STAND ALONE GAS PIPELINE                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 197                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HOME ENERGY RATING SYSTEM                                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) PRUITT                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
03/16/11       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/16/11       (H)       ENE, FIN                                                                                               
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEREMIAH CAMPBELL, Staff                                                                                                        
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Introduced   HB    197   on   behalf   of                                                             
Representative Pruitt, sponsor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ANDERSON, Weatherization Officer                                                                                           
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
197.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DAN FAUSKE, CEO/Executive Director                                                                                              
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Department of Revenue (DOR); President                                                                                          
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                                   
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
197;  provided a  PowerPoint presentation  titled, "Alaska  Stand                                                               
Alone Gas Pipeline/ASAP," and dated 3/29/11.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY ELLEN BEARDSLEY, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                
Commercial/Fair Business Section                                                                                                
Civil Division (Anchorage)                                                                                                      
Department of Law (DOL)                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
197.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PAT LUBY, Advocacy Director                                                                                                     
AARP in Alaska                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 197.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOE DUBLER, Vice President/Chief Financial Officer                                                                              
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                                   
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Answered questions  during the  PowerPoint                                                             
presentation titled, "Alaska Stand  Alone Gas Pipeline/ASAP," and                                                               
dated 3/29/11.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:04:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LANCE  PRUITT called  the  House  Special Committee  on                                                             
Energy meeting  to order  at 3:04  p.m.   Representatives Pruitt,                                                               
Foster, Tuck, Petersen,  and Saddler were present at  the call to                                                               
order.    Representative  Lynn  arrived as  the  meeting  was  in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                HB 197-HOME ENERGY RATING SYSTEM                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:04:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT announced that the  first order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO.  197, "An Act  recognizing the  Alaska Housing                                                               
Finance  Corporation as  the authorizing  agency to  approve home                                                               
energy  rating  systems  for  the state;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEREMIAH  CAMPBELL, Staff,  Representative  Lance Pruitt,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, introduced HB  197 on behalf of Representative                                                               
Pruitt,  sponsor.   Mr.  Campbell stated  HB  197 recognizes  the                                                               
Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC)  as the  state's Home                                                               
Energy Rating  System (HERS) authorizing  agency for  the purpose                                                               
of approving  home energy  rating systems for  use in  the state.                                                               
This legislation is  needed because non-governmental, for-profit,                                                               
third-parties  are   attempting  to  be  identified   in  federal                                                               
legislation as the HERS agency in  the state, in order to control                                                               
state policy  on the  issue, and  to compete  for funds  that are                                                               
available to  the state.  Alaska  has made an investment  in AHFC                                                               
through its rating  system software called AkWarm,  and he opined                                                               
it  is appropriate  for  Alaska to  run the  program,  and not  a                                                               
third-party.   The  AkWarm software  has  been used  continuously                                                               
since  1996,  and  is  designed  specifically  for  Alaska.    In                                                               
addition, AkWarm  is directly tied  to AHFC programs such  as the                                                               
home  energy rebate  and weatherization  programs, interest  rate                                                               
reduction for  home loans, and Alaska  Building Energy Efficiency                                                               
Standards (BEES).     This bill would enable  AHFC to ensure that                                                               
any  HERS utilized  in  Alaska would  be  appropriate for  Alaska                                                               
climates.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  what organizations  are attempting                                                               
to get certification and compete with AHFC.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:08:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  ANDERSON, Weatherization  Officer,  Alaska Housing  Finance                                                               
Corporation   (AHFC),  Department   of   Revenue,  informed   the                                                               
committee  that  currently  the organization  recognized  by  the                                                               
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and  the U.S. Department of Energy                                                               
(DOE) is the Residential Energy Services Network (RESNET).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN noted DOE uses  the Smart Home Scale, and                                                               
the  Environmental  Protection  Agency  (EPA)  uses  Energy  Star                                                               
ratings,  both of  which are  administered by  RESNET.   He asked                                                               
whether  the standards  in Alaska  would be  equivalent, so  that                                                               
these programs would be recognized by AHFC.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON confirmed that AkWarm  is also recognized by DOE for                                                               
AHFC's weatherization  purposes in Alaska.   He opined  AkWarm is                                                               
far more  sophisticated than the  other programs, and  AHFC wants                                                               
it to be  the standard; in fact, AHFC has  invested $1 million in                                                               
the software  and upgrades  since 1992.     In addition,  AHFC is                                                               
developing a  commercial model for  its public  facility building                                                               
revolving loan fund.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN surmised  that  the bill  creates a  new                                                               
regulatory function for AHFC.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:10:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON explained  that AHFC  has administered  the program                                                               
and authorized  energy raters since  1992.   Although independent                                                               
software  may be  adequate,  AHFC's stance  is  to require  other                                                               
programs to be equivalent to AkWarm.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN asked  whether the intent of  the bill is                                                               
to ensure  that all federal  funding available for  energy rating                                                               
programs goes to AHFC.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON clarified  that the  main focus  is to  protect the                                                               
state's investment in  the AHFC program.   The federal government                                                               
has named a  for-profit private entity, but  AHFC is experienced,                                                               
and is leading the nation on residential energy efficiency.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:12:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  asked  whether any  municipal  building                                                               
codes will be affected by the bill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON opined  no,  except for  IRS  tax credits,  because                                                               
AkWarm is  not recognized by  the IRS.   He pointed out  that IRS                                                               
guidelines  defer  to  the  RESNET  organization;  however,  this                                                               
legislation will help AHFC achieve IRS  status.   Once IRS status                                                               
is achieved, Alaska homebuilders will  be able to use AHFC AkWarm                                                               
ratings to qualify for tax  credits for building energy efficient                                                               
homes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked whether there are  different energy                                                               
rating systems, and for the purpose of authorizing agencies.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:14:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  stated that  an  authorizing  agency sets  certain                                                               
criteria for  software to meet  before it  can be utilized.   The                                                               
RESNET organization  provides information  that is  applicable to                                                               
Alaska, but  AkWarm is a  superior product.  In  further response                                                               
to  Representative  Saddler,  Mr.   Anderson  said  the  software                                                               
provides  an  energy   analysis  of  a  home   by  measuring  the                                                               
resistance  to  heat  flow  (R) value  of  walls,  roofs,  doors,                                                               
windows,  and heating  systems,  and accounting  for  all of  the                                                               
energy  use in  a  home,  followed by  a  report for  improvement                                                               
options  to  raise  a  home to  the  building  energy  efficiency                                                               
standard (BEES).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether the  bill sets the agency or                                                               
the standard.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON said  the  bill  gives AHFC  the  authority to  set                                                               
standards in its regulations.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:16:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN  FAUSKE,  CEO/Executive   Director,  Alaska  Housing  Finance                                                               
Corporation   (AHFC),  Department   of   Revenue  (DOR),   called                                                               
attention to  the fact that  AHFC is nationally renowned  in this                                                               
issue,  and must  ensure Alaska's  right to  regulate what  comes                                                               
into the  state.    He  predicted that  as the  economy improves,                                                               
other mortgage companies will return  to Alaska and use different                                                               
software with  lower standards of  weatherization; the  intent of                                                               
the  legislation  is  to  prevent  the  federal  government  from                                                               
mandated changes  to a  program in which  the state  has invested                                                               
$360 million.    Alaska Housing Finance Corporation  wants to see                                                               
a benchmark for regulations on rating systems.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:18:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT   asked  how  this  situation   would  impact  a                                                               
contractor.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said  a contractor does not need to  do anything new                                                               
right  now.   However, proposed  federal legislation  - known  as                                                               
Home Choice -  names RESNET as the governing body  of home system                                                               
software.   As a matter of  fact, the Home Choice  program mimics                                                               
AHFC's home energy  rebate program, and the only  problem is that                                                               
for  Alaska, it  creates the  threat of  competing HERS  software                                                               
that does  not meet AkWarm standards.    He pointed  out that the                                                               
AkWarm software database  is free to contractors,  but others are                                                               
not.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:20:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT surmised  the  bill  should streamline  mortgage                                                               
applications and energy programs.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said correct.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  reminded the  committee that BEES  is state  law, and                                                               
AHFC  cannot  purchase a  mortgage  unless  an improvement  meets                                                               
BEES; therefore, if  new software is introduced in  Alaska with a                                                               
lesser  standard,  AHFC's  status  in  the  housing  industry  is                                                               
weakened.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:21:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  asked  whether federal  legislation  on                                                               
this issue would take precedence over Alaska's AkWarm program.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  indicated  yes,  and  agreed  with  Representative                                                               
Petersen that AkWarm should be adopted as the federal standard.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:22:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER affirmed  that HB 197 would  give AHFC the                                                               
sole  authority  to decide  whether  a  particular energy  rating                                                               
software can be used in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ANDERSON   said   correct.     In   further   response   to                                                               
Representative  Saddler, he  confirmed  that AHFC  will only  use                                                               
AkWarm, unless  a better  program is developed.   In  response to                                                               
Representative   Petersen,    Mr.   Anderson   said    AHFC   has                                                               
unsuccessfully  attempted to  get  an exclusion  clause from  the                                                               
IRS.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:23:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  questioned whether the bill  applies only to                                                               
energy  rating  software and  not  to  energy rating  procedures,                                                               
"above and beyond software."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:24:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON opined  the bill refers to the  system because there                                                               
is a  training component  and monitoring  of the  energy auditors                                                               
and raters.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY    ELLEN    BEARDSLEY,     Assistant    Attorney    General,                                                               
Commercial/Fair  Business  Section, Civil  Division  (Anchorage),                                                               
Department  of  Law (DOL),  agreed  with  Mr. Anderson  that  the                                                               
software  is the  AkWarm  program that  has  been copyrighted  by                                                               
AHFC, but the system is not just the program itself.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:25:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK compared  this  process  to certificates  of                                                               
fitness   issued  by   the  Department   of  Labor   &  Workforce                                                               
Development (DLWD) for electrical  licenses.  Because the program                                                               
establishes  an  authority,  and  is more  "than  just  reviewing                                                               
software,"  he  asked  whether certificates  will  be  issued  to                                                               
workers after  training, and how  individual contractors  will be                                                               
monitored and audited.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:26:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON affirmed  that AHFC  authorizes  energy raters  and                                                               
requires  certificates  that  are   renewed  every  three  years;                                                               
however, if a new entity enters  the state, AHFC would review the                                                               
new entity's entire process and software.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  added that  AHFC is trying  to protect  consumers; in                                                               
fact, 126 energy  raters have been certified  by the corporation.                                                               
Although the raters  are not employees of AHFC,  they visit homes                                                               
and  offer advice;  thus, a  governing system  is necessary,  and                                                               
AHFC has filled that role for several years.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:28:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  suggested that another software  company may                                                               
have a  procedure that  is more  efficient.   He asked  whether a                                                               
conflict  would arise  if a  contractor  applied for  an IRS  tax                                                               
credit, but  was not permitted  to work in Alaska  because AHFC's                                                               
program is not approved.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:29:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BEARDSLEY  restated that AHFC  has submitted  its application                                                               
to the IRS  to be an alternate agency.   In fact, IRS regulations                                                               
indicate that RESNET  is the authorization entity,  "or [that] an                                                               
equivalent  rating network"  is  acceptable.   She  said she  was                                                               
unsure of  the outcome if  the matter  was referred to  the court                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON explained  that at  this time  there are  certified                                                               
RESNET auditors in  the state "that do some types  of tax credits                                                               
right now, on  the residential ...."  This would  not change, but                                                               
the bill helps get AHFC's software to the same status.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked how the  AkWarm software  is superior,                                                               
and for the difference between them.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON reported  that RESNET  does not  own software,  but                                                               
approves  the software  systems,  and the  four systems  approved                                                               
nationwide are mostly an "input  point system" using blank fields                                                               
that are  filled with  information from the  home.   In contrast,                                                               
the  AHFC  program  uses  mathematic  science  to  calculate  the                                                               
insulating  properties of  walls  and  windows, ventilation,  and                                                               
boilers.    In  further  response  to  Representative  Tuck,  Mr.                                                               
Anderson said AHFC's application  process began eight months ago;                                                               
in fact, AHFC received DOE's  five-year approval to use AkWarm on                                                               
single-family homes  and duplexes,  even though  the IRS  has not                                                               
responded to its application for  approval.  He acknowledged that                                                               
the  federal  Home Choice  bill  died,  but he  expected  similar                                                               
legislation to  surface soon,  and restated  that AHFC  would not                                                               
disallow another rating system, as long as it is equivalent.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN  asked if there are  consequences for the                                                               
other rating companies;  for example, whether the  homes rated by                                                               
them are eligible  for the state weatherization  or energy rebate                                                               
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON indicated  there are no consequences;  in fact, some                                                               
builders are  paying for an  additional rating with  the software                                                               
approved by RESNET, in order to qualify for the IRS tax credit.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT  LUBY,  Advocacy  Director,  AARP  in  Alaska,  informed  the                                                               
committee AARP  has 93,000 members in  Alaska, and wholeheartedly                                                               
supports  AHFC.   Mr.  Luby said  the  weatherization and  rebate                                                               
programs  have  proven  to  be  historic  in  that  thousands  of                                                               
Alaskans have benefitted  from the programs.  He  relayed a story                                                               
of  how successful  energy improvements  to homes  are, with  the                                                               
resulting  lower  utility  bills  showing that  energy  is  being                                                               
saved.   Mr. Luby  expressed AARP's  support of  HB 197,  for the                                                               
benefit of consumers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK   agreed  that   the  energy   programs  are                                                               
beneficial; however,  he questioned how  the bill will  expand or                                                               
provide better service to consumers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LUBY said  AARP does  not  have the  expertise to  determine                                                               
that, but the  testimony today indicated there is  a problem with                                                               
the IRS.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT closed public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:39:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FOSTER moved  to  report HB  197,  27-LS0628\A, out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal note.  There being no  objection, HB 197 was reported from                                                               
the House Special Committee on Energy.                                                                                          
3:39:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:39 p.m. to 3:43 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:43:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Overview:  Update on the Alaska Stand Alone Gas Pipeline                                                                       
    Overview:  Update on the Alaska Stand Alone Gas Pipeline                                                                
                                                                                                                              
3:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be  an update  on  the Alaska  Stand Alone  Gas  Pipeline by  the                                                               
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN  FAUSKE, President,  Alaska  Gasline Development  Corporation                                                               
(AGDC), Alaska Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC), Department of                                                               
Revenue (DOR), advised  that monthly reports on  this project are                                                               
sent out to  the legislative body and the final  report is due on                                                               
7/1/11.    He began  a  PowerPoint  presentation titled,  "Alaska                                                               
Stand Alone Gas  Pipeline/ASAP," and dated 3/29/11.   Slide 2 was                                                               
AGDC's  organization   graph  of   the  Joint   In-State  Gasline                                                               
Development  Team.    Mr.  Fauske said  there  have  been  recent                                                               
proposed  legislative changes  to the  original bill  that formed                                                               
the  corporation,  in order  to  address  authority and  possible                                                               
conflict of interest  issues between AGDC and  the Alaska Natural                                                               
Gas  Development   Authority  (ANGDA).     Slide  3   was  AGDC's                                                               
organization graph of Project Staff.    He relayed the background                                                               
experience  of  some   of  the  staff,  and   that  the  mandated                                                               
stakeholder  meetings  have been  held  in  several locations  to                                                               
discuss the  project.   The project  staff is  small with  no big                                                               
bureaucracy.   Slide 4  listed Project  Management/Engineering as                                                               
follows:   Project Management, Hawk Consultants  LLC; Engineering                                                               
Services, Michael  Baker Jr., Inc.; Legal  Services, Birch Horton                                                               
Bittner & Cherot; Project Pacing  and Review, Independent Project                                                               
Analysis; Facilities Peer Review,  WorleyParsons.  Slide 5 listed                                                               
Environmental/Regulatory  as  follows:   Environmental  Services,                                                               
ASRC  Energy  Services (AES);  Third  Party  EIS, Cardno  ENTRIX;                                                               
Regulatory Advisor,  Stoel Rives LLC.   Slide 6  listed Financial                                                               
as  follows:     Financial  Advisor,   Citigroup/Ramirez;  Tariff                                                               
Modeling, Black  and Veatch.   Economic/Market  Studies:   Gas to                                                               
Liquids,  Hatch Associates  Consultants, Inc.;  Liquefied Natural                                                               
Gas,  Science  Applications   International  Corporation  (SAIC);                                                               
Natural Gas Liquids, R. W. Beck Inc.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:50:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  further  advised  that   AGDC  wanted  access  to  a                                                               
financial team  so that it  could study the tax-exempt  status of                                                               
the  Alaska   Railroad  Corporation,  bonds,  and   of  financing                                                               
structures.  In  addition, the financial team will be  led by Joe                                                               
Dubler,  AGDC   Vice  President/Chief  Financial  Officer.     He                                                               
reviewed  the   credentials  of   the  economic   market  studies                                                               
contractors  and said  the  economic studies  on  gas to  liquids                                                               
(GTLs),  liquefied natural  gas, (LNG),  and natural  gas liquids                                                               
(NGLs) are nearing completion.   Slide 7 listed State and Federal                                                               
Agency Contracts as  follows:  Federal BLM,  Federal Lands Right-                                                               
of-Way; Alaska  Department of  Natural Resources,  State Pipeline                                                               
Coordinator's Office  - Right-of-Way Lease; Alaska  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources,  Cook Inlet Gas  Report; Alaska  Department of                                                               
Environmental  Conservation,   Air  Quality   Permitting;  Alaska                                                               
Railroad  Corporation, Right-of-Way,  Crossing  &  Materials.   A                                                               
report  from the  Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR) on  the                                                               
economics  of  developing gas  from  Cook  Inlet is  expected  to                                                               
answer the question  of whether to run a pipeline  from the North                                                               
Slope to  Anchorage, or a  pipeline from Cook Inlet  to Anchorage                                                               
and on to the central  corridor.  Other possibilities to consider                                                               
are  the importation  of  LNG  and gas  from  the Alaska  Gasline                                                               
Inducement Act  (AGIA) pipeline.   He assured the  committee that                                                               
recommendations  in the  July report  will include  hard data,  a                                                               
comparative analysis, and  an analysis of Cook Inlet.   He turned                                                               
to the high  cost of air quality permitting and  pointed out that                                                               
AGDC  is in  the  process of  negotiating  agreements with  other                                                               
firms to  share data  and economize;  as a  matter of  fact, data                                                               
coming from other state agencies has been very good.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT asked  how  the  proposed in-state  right-of-way                                                               
legislation impacts the natural gas pipeline.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:55:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  DUBLER,  Vice   President/Chief  Financial  Officer,  Alaska                                                               
Gasline  Development Corporation  (AGDC), Alaska  Housing Finance                                                               
Corporation (AHFC),  Department of  Revenue (DOR), said  he would                                                               
review the abovementioned proposed legislation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:55:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  said he  was pleased  with AGDC's  schedule, although                                                               
the  environmental  impact  study  was delayed.    There  are  no                                                               
bottlenecks,   and  there   is  cooperation   from  the   federal                                                               
government.  Slide  8 was titled, "Cook Inlet  Gas Production vs.                                                               
Alaska Stand  Alone Gas Pipeline  Capacity," and showed  that the                                                               
project is designed for a  capacity of 500 million standard cubic                                                               
feet of  gas per day (MMscfd)  based on the agreements  placed in                                                               
HB  369.   This  capacity  is  within  the  limits set  by  AGIA,                                                               
although  the   project  could  expand   with  the   addition  of                                                               
compressors.   Mr. Fauske recalled  his statement last  year that                                                               
the project as  it stands - spending billions  of dollars running                                                               
pipe over difficult terrain to  supply gas to 400,000 residents -                                                               
will not  "pencil."  With  a source of  gas, however, there  is a                                                               
possibility of  attracting an anchor  tenant.  He  cautioned that                                                               
the  lights cannot  go out  in  Anchorage because  there will  be                                                               
negative  impacts throughout  the state;  moreover, building  the                                                               
project is  a 50-100 year  decision, and over the  long-term with                                                               
anchor tenants  and development "the sky's  the limit basically."                                                               
Mr. Fauske stressed  his intent to concentrate  on being fiscally                                                               
responsible and inventive in order to entice investors.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:01:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT asked  whether the  project can  be designed  to                                                               
expand above 500  MMscfd, and how the cancellation  of AGIA would                                                               
affect the project.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE observed that the success  of AGIA is in the long-term                                                               
interest of  the state, and the  work done on this  project could                                                               
be used  to design  a spur line  to the AGIA  gas pipeline.   The                                                               
present  design could  be expanded  to a  maximum of  one billion                                                               
standard cubic  feet per day (Bscfd),  which is far in  excess of                                                               
current demand.   He  relayed that  with a  long-term predictable                                                               
supply of gas  there is the potential to market  gas to Japan, or                                                               
to supply gas during the period  of time before the AGIA pipeline                                                               
is completed.  Mr. Fauske said  the final report will show all of                                                               
the potential  cost, and that  design changes are  still possible                                                               
at that point.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:06:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT  asked for the origin  of the gas supply  to this                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  indicated  that  the   final  source  has  not  been                                                               
determined,  although   the  route  shown  in   the  presentation                                                               
reflects gas  from Prudhoe Bay.   Other possible  sources include                                                               
imported  LNG,  gas  from  Cook  Inlet,  or  gas  from  the  AGIA                                                               
pipeline.  Anadarko's Gubik gas field  is a source of gas that is                                                               
mostly methane  and needs  less treatment  than gas  from Prudhoe                                                               
Bay.  He opined  Gubik is a very promising reserve,  but is not a                                                               
dedicated  source of  gas.     In  further  response to  Co-Chair                                                               
Pruitt, he confirmed  that a cleaner gas affects the  rate of the                                                               
tariff.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN asked  for the  term of  the bonds  that                                                               
would finance the project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUBLER  explained  the  length of  the  bonds  is  typically                                                               
determined by  the length of  the gas  contracts.  At  this time,                                                               
most of Asia  is buying gas on the spot  market, thus terms would                                                               
differ from the historical average of 10-20 years.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:09:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE continued  to slide 9 which was a  list of the Project                                                               
Features as follows:   Design Capacity - 500  MMscfd (with NGLs);                                                               
Mainline Pipeline; Fairbanks  Lateral; Gas Conditioning Facility;                                                               
Two  Compressor  Stations;  NGL Extraction  Plant;  Gas  Take-off                                                               
Facility/NGL Straddle Plant.  The  Fairbanks Lateral is currently                                                               
designed to be  a 12-inch diameter line which would  carry gas 38                                                               
miles  to Fairbanks  and supply  about  three to  four times  its                                                               
present  demand.    Although  the  gas  supply  to  Fairbanks  is                                                               
included  in the  original  legislation,  excess capacity  causes                                                               
problems  because  of  the  cost   of  conversion  and  with  the                                                               
requirements of the  Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA).    He                                                               
also  explained  his  opposition  to  a  route  parallel  to  the                                                               
Richardson  Highway to  Valdez due  to the  additional cost,  and                                                               
that  the AGIA  pipeline has  the ability  to export  3.5 billion                                                               
feet of  gas per day.   Finally, Mr. Fauske restated  his promise                                                               
not to duplicate studies, and  that the most economical route for                                                               
this project  is along  the Parks Highway  to Port  MacKenzie and                                                               
the existing  pipeline system.   The estimated  cost for  the gas                                                               
conditioning  facility is  $4 billion,  and the  analysis of  the                                                               
project must determine  whether to treat the gas  at Prudhoe Bay,                                                               
or at a straddle plant  near Fairbanks.  Other project facilities                                                               
are two compressor stations, a  NGL extraction plant, and another                                                               
straddle plant at the terminus of the pipeline.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:15:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  whether  the  $4 billion  estimate                                                               
assumes a  more involved  process for the  treatment of  gas from                                                               
Prudhoe Bay, rather  than of cleaner gas from the  Gubik field or                                                               
the foothills.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE indicated yes; in fact,  the gas from Prudhoe Bay - in                                                               
addition  to  the more  complex  process  for the  extraction  of                                                               
liquids  - contains  high volumes  of CO2  and hydrogen  sulfide.                                                               
Slide 10  was a chart  that showed  the proposed mainline  is 737                                                               
miles long, with  a 24-inch diameter pipe under  2,500 pounds per                                                               
square inch (psi) maximum operating pressure.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT  asked whether  the  community  of Fairbanks  is                                                               
prepared  to   pay  the  high   cost  required  to   convert  its                                                               
infrastructure to use natural gas.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:17:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE acknowledged  that the conversion to  natural gas will                                                               
be expensive  for Fairbanks  and the nearby  military bases.   He                                                               
opined this  is money  well-spent, if the  new pipeline  is sized                                                               
for the  present market.   The market  for gas that  is currently                                                               
trucked into the Fairbanks area serves 1,000 customers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN  assumed the Flint Hills  Resources North                                                               
Pole Refinery would be interested in converting to gas.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE agreed  that is  under consideration  by Flint  Hills                                                               
Resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:18:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUBLER, referring  to the  conversion  of infrastructure  in                                                               
Fairbanks,  added that  in the  mid  '80s, the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough met initial  resistance when that area  converted to gas;                                                               
however, residents are now happy with their long-term savings.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:19:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT   pointed  out   that  Fairbanks  is   a  mature                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUBLER   opined  Fairbanks  has  the   advantage  of  denser                                                               
neighborhoods which  will be  less expensive  to pipe.   Outlying                                                               
areas will  be more  expensive, and similar  to the  situation in                                                               
the Mat-Su Borough.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE continued  to slide 11, which  indicated other project                                                               
facilities:   gas  conditioning plant  at Prudhoe  Bay to  remove                                                               
carbon  dioxide,  hydrogen  sulfide, and  other  impurities;  two                                                               
compressor  stations   including  gas-turbine-driven  centrifugal                                                               
compressors  and  gas-turbine-driven electric  power  generators.                                                               
Slide  12  listed  other  permanent  facilities:    Gas  take-off                                                               
facility/NGL straddle  plant that will provide  gas for Fairbanks                                                               
by  removing   NGLs  to  provide   dry  gas  for   Fairbanks  and                                                               
reinjecting  NGLs  into the  mainline;  NGL  extraction plant  to                                                               
remove NGLs for sale.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:20:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUBLER   stressed  that  this  presentation   was  based  on                                                               
preliminary  studies, and  economic  studies that  have not  been                                                               
completed.  Slide 13 indicated  that the preliminary capital cost                                                               
estimate for  a pipeline and facilities  with a flow rate  of 250                                                               
million square cubic  feet per day (MMscfd), spiked  with NGL, is                                                               
$6.9 billion, or  for a pipeline and facilities with  a flow rate                                                               
of 500 MMscfd, spiked with NGL, is $8.4 billion.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:21:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  cautioned that  the numbers for  the tariff  rate are                                                               
"just  numbers that  we  developed  off the  map  that we  know."                                                               
Slide  14 showed  the proposed  case with  a rate  of $11.49  per                                                               
thousand and a comparison date of July, 2010.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUBLER  assured the committee that  the projections available                                                               
after July 2011 will be more refined.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:22:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE presented  slide  15  titled, "Transportation  Tariff                                                               
Comparison   (July  2010)."      The   assumptions  shown   were:                                                               
Debt/Equity,  70%/30%; Return  on Equity,  11.31%; Cost  of Debt,                                                               
6.76%; Capital  and O&M Escalation,  3%; Contract  & Depreciation                                                               
Life,  20  years;  Levelized   Tariffs,  Based  on  deterministic                                                               
capital cost estimate.  He warned  that these are also subject to                                                               
change,  although  the  debt  to   equity  ratio  is  established                                                               
nationwide.   Slide 16 indicated  estimated the  optimized tariff                                                               
and cost of debt, based on November, 2010.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT  asked whether the  tariff to Fairbanks  would be                                                               
lower because of the shorter distance.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE said yes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:23:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUBLER said commercial financing  options include the cost of                                                               
debt,  which depends  on  variables such  as  whether the  Alaska                                                               
Railroad  tax exemption  will  apply.   In  response to  Co-Chair                                                               
Pruitt,  he confirmed  that the  optimal structure  for financing                                                               
the pipeline  will be  part of  the July, 2011  report.   He then                                                               
explained that  the project timeline  is set by engineers  and is                                                               
an important factor in preventing  cost inflation.  Throughput is                                                               
an option  that depends  on the upstream  gas that  is available,                                                               
and on  the downstream  customers, such as  anchor clients.   The                                                               
final study on the marketing of  liquids will also be part of the                                                               
report due  in July, 2011.   An equity contribution by  the state                                                               
is under consideration, especially for the project to pencil.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:26:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  for Mr.  Dubler's  definition  of                                                               
"pencil out."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUBLER responded that it would  be a tariff amount that would                                                               
supply gas  at a reasonable  rate that an average  consumer could                                                               
afford.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE relayed  that there is an  assumption that legislators                                                               
will  fund the  project to  keep  prices about  equal to  current                                                               
levels.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  surmised  there  is  elasticity  in  the                                                               
market.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT  observed the project  expects to  be competitive                                                               
with the cost of imported or Cook Inlet gas in the future.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:29:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE affirmed  the state  has the  resources to  deal with                                                               
this  situation; in  fact, this  problem must  be solved  for the                                                               
economics  of  -  not  just  Anchorage -  but  the  state.    The                                                               
challenge at this time is to find the best economic solution.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:30:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUBLER returned  to the commercial financing  option of line-                                                               
fill contributed by state royalty,  and explained that there is a                                                               
question  of whether  this option  can  be used  for the  initial                                                               
line-fill.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  noted  that  the   key  commercial  activities  are:                                                               
evaluate  needs  of  anchor  industrial  users;  find  interested                                                               
builder/owner/operators;   optimize   commercial  interests   and                                                               
develop financing  options.   Because this  is a  megaproject, he                                                               
envisioned  the progression  of the  project will  begin with  an                                                               
estimate of  costs - for  example, $6  billion - but  before bids                                                               
from builder/owner/operators are requested,  the state must spend                                                               
2-5 percent  of the total  project cost to validate  the estimate                                                               
with  "hard numbers."   Slide  19 indicated  potential industrial                                                               
users:   natural  gas  liquids  for export;  gas  to liquids  for                                                               
export;  liquefied  natural  gas  (LNG)  for  export;  fertilizer                                                               
production.   Slide  20 was  titled, "Natural  Gas Liquids  (NGL)                                                               
Export,"   and    included:      Extraction/fractionation/storage                                                               
facility at  Port MacKenzie or  Nikiski; additional  pipelines to                                                               
berths and loading facility; new  commercial studies to determine                                                               
full-value  chain  value and  market  viability  by R.  W.  Beck.                                                               
Slide 21 was a definition of NGLs.   Slide 22 was titled, "Gas To                                                               
Liquids (GTL) Export," and Mr.  Fauske warned that the GTL market                                                               
involves converting natural  gas into diesel and  jet fuel, using                                                               
facilities  that  are very  expensive  and  create a  troublesome                                                               
amount of  carbon dioxide byproduct.   Slide 23 was  a definition                                                               
of GTLs.   Slide 24  depicted the liquefied natural  gas facility                                                               
at Nikiski.  Slide 25 was a definition of LNG.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:37:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether  the LNG facility at Nikiski                                                               
would require a  large reinvestment in order to  make its product                                                               
competitive internationally.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE assumed  that opening  the facility  would require  a                                                               
long-term, well-priced, steady supply of gas.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN recalled a tour  of the facility and said                                                               
it is in good condition.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  presented  slide  26 which  listed  Tier  1  Project                                                               
Permits  such  as   those  required  from  the   Bureau  of  Land                                                               
Management  (BLM), the  Alaska  Department  of Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR), and  the U.S. Army Corps  of Engineers (USACE).   Slide 27                                                               
listed Tier  2 Project  Permits.   Slide 28  was a  timeline that                                                               
indicated  the  Project  Schedule  from  7/1/10-12/31/15,  and  a                                                               
completion date  of 2018.   Slide 29 was an  Environmental Impact                                                               
Statement  Project  Schedule.    Slide 30  provided  the  website                                                               
address  for the  most recent  Plan of  Development published  by                                                               
USACE.    Mr. Fauske  closed  by  saying  that the  in-state  gas                                                               
pipeline  project will  also  explore issues  in  rural areas  in                                                               
order  to  develop  an  overall strategic  plan  to  benefit  all                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT relayed  that the military in  Hawaii obtains jet                                                               
fuel from  foreign countries, although federal  law requires that                                                               
military  sources are  within the  U.S., if  possible.   He asked                                                               
whether the bill  tasked the project to explore  the interests of                                                               
potential anchor tenants.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:43:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  assured  the  committee   the  project  is  actively                                                               
pursuing anchor  tenants from the mining  industry, airports, and                                                               
the military, although  the military is limited to  paying a West                                                               
Coast equivalent  price for  jet fuel.   As a  matter of  fact, a                                                               
facility in  Alaska serving all  the military in the  Pacific Rim                                                               
is enticing.  However, he pointed  out that the airlines are very                                                               
competitive, and must be offered  products at competitive prices.                                                               
Mr. Fauske  explained the benefit  of a one-time  equity infusion                                                               
to  drive  down   capital  costs  and  reduce   the  tariff,  but                                                               
discouraged the prospect of an on-going subsidy.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:48:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN asked  for the  relationship of  energy from                                                               
the proposed in-state  gas pipeline and energy  from the proposed                                                               
Susitna dam.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:49:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FAUSKE  responded  that  the  dam  will  eventually  provide                                                               
electricity, but it  will not supplant gas due to  the problem of                                                               
the  cost of  converting infrastructure  from the  use of  gas to                                                               
electricity.   The hydroelectric  project is  15 years  away, and                                                               
gas is more accessible, however, both are needed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:50:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT agreed there is a need for both.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  stated his  impression that  this project                                                               
is in competition with the AGIA pipeline.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:51:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE opined  the success of AGIA is the  best solution - if                                                               
that  happens, this  project becomes  a  spur line  and the  work                                                               
already completed  will be a  part of the  AGIA process.   On the                                                               
other hand,  the projects have  two different goals in  that AGIA                                                               
is a  strictly competitive project  to transport  massive amounts                                                               
of gas for sale on a worldwide  market.  The goal of the in-state                                                               
pipeline project is  to supply gas to Alaskan  residents, with or                                                               
without anchor  tenants.  In  further response  to Representative                                                               
Lynn, he said  the same concept applies to  Denali-The Alaska Gas                                                               
Pipeline.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:54:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN concluded  that  if  the small  diameter                                                               
pipeline proceeds, AGIA will not.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  said no.   He clarified  that if AGIA  is successful,                                                               
there is  no need for  the in-state pipeline; however,  until the                                                               
fate of AGIA is known, progress toward solving the immediate                                                                    
problem of providing gas to Alaskans must continue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT opined difficult decisions are ahead for                                                                        
legislators who need to develop key infrastructure for the                                                                      
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:56:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE closed by saying that this is a solvable problem; in                                                                 
fact, the state has many assets and strengths, and he advised                                                                   
against inaction.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:58:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 4:48 p.m.                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 197 - 01 Version A, the Original Bill.pdf HENE 3/29/2011 3:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB 197 - 02 Sponsor Statement.pdf HENE 3/29/2011 3:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB 197 - 03 Sectional Summary.pdf HENE 3/29/2011 3:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB 197 - 04 Fiscal Note HB197-DOR-AHFC-03-24-11.pdf HENE 3/29/2011 3:00:00 PM
HB 197
Presentation on Alaska Stand Alone Gas Pipeline for 29 March 2011.pdf HENE 3/29/2011 3:00:00 PM
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation Presentation
HB 197 - 05 AARP Letter of Support, 28 March 2011.pdf HENE 3/29/2011 3:00:00 PM
HB 197